Right.

Right? That is the point at which people really, their s- their skill at learning to embody themselves takes off because they've done the really important, uh, psychological, emotional work in putting to bed some of their, their fears and, and, uh, disturbances, but also wrapping their heads around what happened to them.

Then they come in and they do some body work, and it is really important because they can feel.

They can say what they don't want as long as-

I asked Pam what she recommends for couples, for you even, to establish safety with such small touches.

What is interesting is to encourage people to find some one thing that they can do together around touch, whether it's, um, a foot massage or that safe touch that, uh, Greg and Joni shared, or a back scratch, or doing simple things for one another.

If you notice your partner is cold, get them a hot water bottle and... or, or a blanket or something, so that you're demonstrating that you're noticing.