Did you know that you wanted to be a lawyer early on or did that happen in college or at some point recently?

Yeah.

It was the old trope of like when I was young, I was very argumentative.

So it was kind of always fed into my head that I would make a good lawyer.

But there was this creative side to me.

I loved art and I loved music.

And so I was always kind of torn between what I thought were two diametrically opposed worlds.

Can you talk about the dynamic between the manager, the agent and, and you as a lawyer and like how you guide a creator's career?