I totally understand that now, but can you, I don't want to say make that more digestible for people, but what's a different way of saying that or expressing that?

I mean, maybe the way into this is just to kind of tell you how I got into Buddhism.

When I was 19, my mother was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

And that was in 1991.

And if you're old enough to remember that time, there was a guy named Michael Landon who was the father on Little House on the Prairie.

And he had quite publicly just died from pancreatic cancer.

So it was kind of in the culture that that was the sort of cancer that was very aggressive and untreatable.

and have these beliefs and like be right or