... and above the wrist.

Absolutely.

And, and then the other dimension of the war was the high levels of, uh, sexual violence.

You see very young boys, 12, 13 year old, with women twice enough to be their grandmothers, and they forcibly took them as, uh, you know, uh, sex slaves and wives because of war.

They had instruments of, of, you know, instruments of violence, their weapon, and these boys were, you know, they fed them with psychotropic substances and everything.

So they were vicious in terms of how they, uh, conducted themselves.

So traveling the country, meeting these people trying to pick up the pieces of their lives and telling them about the Truth Commission and saying, "This is a, a mechanism for justice to hear your story, to help the world appreciate your story," it, it gave me a sense of purpose.

So what is the relationship between peace building and development?