What are the most overlooked obstacles students face after they've made it to college or university? And what does meaningful support look like at that stage?

That's actually an interesting area and one where we, you know...

I actually think a few organizations are starting to explore what that means.

I will also call it a bit, you know, the challenge of the, the middle class is experiencing the return to your pa-- to the parents' basement, including it is much more expensive to go to post-secondary school, so we're seeing a lot more students who stay home to go to post-secondary.

But also after post-secondary, it's what do you do with a degree? And so you come back and sleep on the couch in the basement because it may be somewhat rent-free until you can figure out what's next.

I think there's a few things that are now the challenge.

One is going to college or university is, for many students, the first time they are leaving home.

As you look at where the organization is going and the Canada you want to see built, what gives you hope?