And how about you personally? How did you end up working in this space? Like, what career steps did you take to get here?

Actually, a funny coincidence, like one of the people you interviewed, um, quite recently, Benjamin Lovett from Blue Chip, um, also based in Vienna, actually.

We started out back in twenty seventeen.

He came in from, I would say, the poke, um, poke-- playing poker, and I came in, um, with a bunch of friends actually back then.

And we were trading and buying out of curiosity.

So I would say a coincidence and fascination for new technology and markets.

Um, then it stopped because I started, um, studying law, worked for a couple of different law firms, and then back in twenty twenty actually, um, I got the job offer to work for Black Manta, previously in a legal role.

What does that look like by jurisdiction, for scale? How do you think about that?