Mm-hmm.

I remember when the Fort Hood, you know, shooting took place.

It shook the nation.

Uh, you know, this was a, a mass terror attack by a, you know, a military, uh, you know, o- officer, uh, you know, at that moment, and that was something that really, I think, was, w- uh, hit people hard, especially given his justification, uh, for, for what he did.

So I think if it had been an execution in a more timely manner, it probably would have addressed, uh, something that had impacted everybody at that time.

But as you're pointing out, due to the, you know, the length of time there, ultimately, uh, that kind of fades, and many of the people who would even be watch- watching the execution probably don't remember the event that occurred.

Uh, that said, I, I think that, you know, there's two things that might be true here.

I do think that that also is a distinction that we aren't, uh, uh, in the broader conversation isn't being recognized enough, that there is a difference between a military execution versus a, a private citizen as well.

You know, you can't deny he's there.

there.Well, Jack, it's very clear that unfortunately, the conservative movement has just been very unserious about politics for a long time.

They were more than fine with losing on a regular basis.

They were beautiful losers.

They lost on principle.

They didn't work.

They didn't organize.

uh-Okay, yeah, I saw they were doing something with the, with the B-roll there.

Explain what happened here and their rationale and why you're so passionate about this issue.

Well, a lot of people have given the idea that these are valuable workers, they're working in the healthcare industry, making sure to take care of our seniors, and we have to keep them around because also it's just too dangerous.

We actually had some, uh, some representatives say that it was a death sentence to send these people back to Haiti.

The incredible thing is, you know, the problem with Haiti, the reason it's dangerous is because Haitians live there.

It's, it's a, on an island that is divided between two different countries, and one of them is just fine.

The Dominican Republic, I wouldn't wanna live there, but it's okay.

And then there's Haiti, and it's been a nightmare its entire existence.

What's your take as a Protestant?

um, or do you think that if Trump stays with this, the numbers will start to speak very loudly about how many of these people are actually being deported, which gives people a sense of how many more there are in the country illegally? I mean, how, how do you gauge all that?

I think for the American public, there's an initial shock, because, of course, the left is very good at propaganda.

They control the media.

They often control the narrative and the framing, so they're putting out a lot of propaganda about- a lot of lies about what ICE is doing.

A lot of sensational stories get out there, and they get debunked, but by the time they get debunked, the people have already consumed the se- salacious propaganda, and so they get a, you know, a skewed idea of how A- ICE is conducting these raids, conducting these operations.

However, I think that what we saw, especially with the beginning of the Trump administration, is that strength is key.

When Trump come- came out of the gate, he was powerful, he was throwing around executive orders, he was hitting the Democrats at every level, and that shock and awe, that constant action, threw the left back on their heels.

Yeah

But Oren, I'm curious, based on everything I just said, what your thoughts are.

I mean, with the situation in the South, what you're looking about...

Like you said, you know, the, our Founding Fathers pointed out that the reason they needed to leave is that they wanted the rights of the Englishman.

Like, that's was their problem.

They wanted the rights that they felt they were entitled to as Englishmen, and that was not being upheld by the Parliament.

A lot of people say it was a war against the king, but actually, they appealed to the king regularly, hoping that he would save them from Parliament.

And when he wouldn't, only then did they say, "Okay, now we have to appeal to Heaven, because we have no other place to appeal.

Nuts it down.