Orna Guralnik

And according to today's guest, that might be also the whole point of being in a relationship.

Dr. Orna Guralnik, the brilliant psychoanalyst from one of Abby and I's favorite shows, Couples Therapy, says that we don't partner with another person to find ourselves.

We partner with another person to invite otherness into our lives.

And then we spend years trying to negotiate what to do with that otherness.

And then consider this.

What if that is the thorn from which your greatest growth can come? Whether you are deeply in love, deeply annoyed, or like most of us, some miraculous combination of both, this one is for you.

Buckle up for Dr. Orna Guralnik.

Before we start, I do need to tell you that Abby just found the things that I have Googled about you, okay? I have Googled, what kind of dog does Orna have? Does Orna take new clients? Where are Orna's sweaters from? Where do I get Orna's scarves? Articles about how Orna listens like that, and how is Orna so calm? I'm

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

Dr. Orna Guralnik, welcome back to Call Her Daddy.

I am in shock that it's been, I think it's three plus years, right? Unbelievable.

I sort of didn't feel like it was three years.

I actually think that's a move in the session.

She does it with Dr. Orna when, you know, Dr. Orna is trying to settle her, have her settle herself down.

And she does it with her husband.

So I think, you know, it looks good that they're both in the therapy session.

it's interesting that dr orna is telling the wife that she's doing all the work Because it doesn't look like she's working that hard to me.

It looks like she's ranting, which is just a release of her anxiety.

In fact, it probably feels really good to her because she just can discharge it onto Dr. Orna and discharge it onto her husband.

Well, I think she's making a point about how Michal is running the session and is insisting on running the session, that she's not allowing Dr. Orna to steer.

I don't think these women have the ability to.

To actually do that, I really wish we could have an intersection between sister wives and couples therapy with Dr. Orna.

Because

imagine a world where

Dr. Orna sat these three women down and facilitated a conversation between these women about what they've been through.

Because when you think about...

the immense nature, the expansive, like what the cult nature of what they've been through, and how they treated each other as a result of what they've been through.

Like, I just feel like the, the limitat- the, the role, the limitation, the roles are breaking down, and the wheels are coming off.

And I, yeah, l- like I'm suddenly, when you mentioned therapist, like I saw Dr. Orna from Couples Therapy.

Like, you know, a kind of a super dark, intense, like, sexy therapist.

But still, like, that's someone who could be working with archetype and narrative and drama.

That's, yeah.

But yeah, it's good to go to supervisors and say, "I think this," or, "I don't think this," or, "I don't know this." A lot of us watch couples therapy and watch, you know, the well-decorated and now, you know, mass culturally famous Orna Guralnik-

Mm

... go to her supervisors which they call her what? Clinical advisor or something like that.

The, the Couples Therapy channel on YouTube will make supercuts that are, like, five of the biggest pieces of shit who've ever been on the show, and it's like [laughs] ...

Or, like, Dr. Orna locks horns with narcissists.

[laughs]

And then it shows it, and then it's still like the show is produced by therapists? I'm like, "Where is the line?"

I heard you met my hero.

Orna was there.

Dr. Orna Guralnik.

She got a little bit pummeled by one of the questions, but, uh, she handled it so beautifully and gracefully, and her dog was there, which was cool.

Ah, that dog that caused a lot of problems.