And the early career scientists that we talked to, they had a lot to say about where those ideas should come from.

My name is Onur Burcu.

I'm currently a postdoc at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, and I'm an associate at the, uh, Center for Philosophy of Science here.

I mainly work at, at the interface of developing and applying mathematical and philosophical tools to understand cancer through the lens of evolutionary ecology and social dynamics.

The way that I think about my creative process, there are two main sides of this.

So one is when I think more of an interdisciplinary sort of lens to cancer in which I'm trying to port over analogies from criminology or corruption or linguistics to try to understand cancer, but then there's also this other side of sort of a more transdisciplinary approach in which I'm trying to identify common structures across these fields, and they s- might be asking very much the same questions.

And so in this context, I think it's a little bit of both.

Mm.