So it's kind of like an amalgamation of both.

100%.

I think, yeah, that exact...

It's interesting.

I think I watch a lot more international hockey, but you watch a lot more local hockey than I do.

And yeah, internationally, the vibe being definitely not as, I'd say, macho as the likes of rugby, but definitely you've got your...

I can't remember who described it as this, but it might have been Wayne Gretzky.

do you guys know what you watched like growing up that like sort of helped shape your tastes in a way like the first of the rest I