[chuckles]

One of the best realizations of my life, that I'm, I'm more of a people's person than machines, and, uh, I didn't want to work in academia, especially when there is a disengagement with industry.

So maybe during that phase, uh, this is where I s- really made the move, but, um, I think I, I felt it earlier when I was studying, um, computer science at university.

It didn't really click with me.

I, I wasn't enjoying being all the day on coding and, and what have you and, and not having as much interactions, but also always wanted to have an impact, and I felt like, I don't know if working at a typical software firm, working on, I don't know, apps to deliver food is exactly what I want to do as impact.

I really want to do something beyond that.

I wanted to grow the impact as well.

Hmm.