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this is a narrative that we've always grew up with, all of us, is that we are always looked at ourselves as being behind, and we're trying to catch up.

Uh, and this is what the state is offering us, is a, is a, is a kind of a ticket on that train, uh, of progress that, that is moving forward.

And we've all internalized some of that stuff, you know? Um, uh, a- and I think that's kind of very important to acknowledge.

And I think the other, um, the other, uh, uh, side of things is investing, as you said, in the nation or in the, the body politic in the sense that you want a, a population that is healthy, that can actually be ready to fight for, for the nation, and that, uh, that you're, you're, y- you're basically dealing and, uh, uh- Uh, uh, uh, uh, and, and covering any kind of health problems or any kind of pathologies in society, and this is kind of what I try to look at, is how health and health problems become pathologized at the level of political narrative and how certain populations become pathologized at that time.

Because to say, "Oh, this is-- the-- this is really backward.

Um, if that's what Foucault sort of was arguing as The Birth of the Clinic, um, help me understand, um, the concept of The Death of the Clinic.