Did this, the evolution and how you found your s- your way to the wing, was that always the position that you played? And the instructions that you have from Chris or your midfield coach, have you got a pretty liberal license when to go forward, when to go back, and when to stay put?

It's funny, I, I came in as a forward, uh, my first couple years, like a, a genuine high half forward, and then, um, I think I played my first game in 2024 of the Rising Star year as a forward, and then I think injuries happened, and I, I got thrown up to the wing and, um- I don't know, Scotty sort of...

He outlined how he wanted me to sort of play it, and then, um, I was chatting to him the other day about it, and he's like, "Oh, you've just sort of evolved it yourself.

Like, we put you there, and said play it sort of like this, and, um, over the years it has evolved." And it was cool hearing him say that and, um, how...

Yeah, I can talk to s- other guys who play on the other wing, the other side of me from my team obviously, um, that how I, I sort of do it and how I look at it.

And, um, it- it's pretty cool how it's sort of just evolved, and I- I've got the license, and, um, yeah, they all sort of let me do me.

What is it about him and the way that he handles players there in the development stages of their career, Ollie?

Yeah, I, I spent a lot with Nige.

What's your adjustment between those types of opponents?

Yeah, that is a challenge of it, I reckon.

And I've traditionally had a lot more just defensive players playing on the wing on me, which I find a bit harder, obviously, going forward when they're a defender and they're expecting it.

And as you said, when I played Melbourne this year, that was a bit opposite when they had a bit of offensive.

And yeah, it brings both challenges, but I really enjoy it.

Either way, it means I can get back and defend or be more offensive.

And yeah, it's sort of week to week changes.

So what's the part of your game you've had to work on most?

How, how do you, how do you find the balance?

Yeah, it is.

It's, I've still progressed over from probably when I first started I was a lot more forward, and this, this week pro- or this year, been a bit more defensive, I guess, with Bucks coming in.

He's helped me too and, um, yeah, it's a hard balance and, uh, I just keep, uh, yeah, keep, keep talking to the coaches and they give me such a good license, which is nice.

The great runner, the great forward both out, the captain having a week off, no problem.

Yeah, I know.

It's, uh, we've got so much depth and you look at our VFL team and I don't think we've lost a game in, I don't know, 15 weeks or something like that.

And, and they've been smashing teams, so it's good.