That's so cool.

You, Olivia? Yeah, I feel exactly the same way.

And it's funny because Everblast has two perspectives and in Evercurse, the next book, I add another one to the mix.

So I'm always really interested in like exploring like topics and themes from different perspectives and having different people weigh in on things in different ways.

But as to what you were saying, it's like the main characters, because you're in their head and because they're carrying the story, You have to understand why they're acting the way they're acting.

Whereas like the bad guys and like the side characters that can just come in, like drop a bomb, peace out.

They're always going to be so much fun because you can just be ridiculous and like flamboyant and really camp with them because you don't have to be in their head and they don't have to take the story from you.

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And I just feel like even though you're clearly an experienced writer, that this is, this must have been terra incognita in some respects.

It's so funny because I don't feel that at all, and perhaps part of the reason why I wasn't super uncomfortable navigating it is because I listen to a lot of ASMR.

And the element of listening to audio that relaxes you and that gives you tingles and that really helps just alleviate some of the pressures of the day by creating a safe space for you to close your eyes and listen and breathe, and that's all you have to do, was not foreign.

That was something that I actively participate in because I really like ASMR.

So I think it was more about learning how I could bring those elements of relaxing audio and ASMR to a scripted narrative.

That was part of the creative challenge that was exciting as opposed to terrifying.

You walk on, stepping over square scats from fellow wombats until you find the entrance to your burrow.

So instead of filling the podcast with all sorts of information about the changing climate, habitat loss, decline in biodiversity, and so on, they chose to focus on awe.