and i think you got a prototype and you checked out the earthquake devices side and you're like oh man this is amazing this is awesome we need to like i think the quote was we need to step up our game that was it so you know can you speak to that what is stepping up the game and how do you decide when something is ready and is good enough

yeah it's really tough you kind of even um I always think that there could be sort of improvement.

So you just, you work towards something, you finally realize like, oh, this idea is great.

This is incredible.

You're using it.

This is perfect.

And then you try to even make it better.

Can you speak to that market a little bit? What are your thoughts on that DIY pedal market, certainly with just the amount of your pedals that are cloned? Do you see it in any negative way? Is it positive? Where is your mind on all that?

Tell me your, what's your, your band name and stuff.

Yeah, um, it's A Place to Bury Strangers, and we've been doing that, um, since right when I moved to New York in, like, 2003, and playing shows, and I don't know, we just kind of like...

The philosophy for the band sort of, uh, started out as just, like, we're gonna be a band that always kind of continually gets heavier and more intense as time goes on.

And, um, we often get called, like, the loudest band in the world.

And so, [laughs] um, but it's like not even necessarily all of the music is like that, you know? It's like I'm always, as you were saying before, like, a fan of albums and all of this and exploring these things.

Uh, when I moved to New York, I had this idea, 'cause I would always be doing all these kind of, uh, bands and whatnot, and didn't really have much success with this.

So my big plan was, "I'm gonna go to New York.

Love this synth.