Can you talk about that for a while?

I think we've inherited very specific understandings of work and organization that are both kind of helpful in understanding some of the dynamics of value abstraction that you've described, but also that we can question or a query that maybe help us unpack this question about whether the workplace can be a site of emancipation.

I mean, there's a long, you know, I actually really echo what you've said, you know, it feels kind of strange to think of the side where my value is extracted as the side of emancipation but i think that there's obviously a long tradition of marxist thought that really understands kind of the workplace as a key terrain of struggle between labor and capital and it is through that struggle that kind of emancipatory possibilities can emerge um however you know as of of I've explained a lot of contemporary kind of EDI initiatives are not in fact framed in those terms.

And the result is that instead of challenging workplace power relations, they often operate within existing managerial structures and objectives.

that tend to subvert, pacify, co-opt or manage in very neat and depoliticized ways actually those various struggles.

I think what's also relevant and important is also to think about, of course, like the kind of changing conditions of work.

I mean, I've spent the better half of this year involved I mean, without my consent or desire in a large scale kind of redundancy process at the University of Essex, which really brought home for me, I think, like how limited the possibilities for workplace emancipation are actually under currently liberal capitalism.

And so maybe you could reflect a little bit on the idea of the future of work through the perspective of queer alternatives and anything you would like to add to make the future of work discourse a little bit more diverse, shall we say?