So you're a student of the game.

oh yeah very much I was I still have very deep interest you break it down yes very much I actually so much that now it's sometimes it's difficult for me to go to concerts to live concerts I go you know I love going to concerts and I go to a lot of concerts actually in fact I'm moving apartments this week and I have boxes I have three boxes full of concert programs because I save all the programs of concerts that I go to and And I don't know what to do with that, but I can't, you know, I just throw them out because I go to a lot of, I used to go to a lot of concerts.

Now I go to, you know, not as many because it's, I'm always very focused on the process and I end up, it ends up being boring.

More work than flesh.

You end up being critical.

Yeah, because I'm thinking, how did, you know, if I'm singing a pianist, how did that pianist do that? You know, how did they do that? Why was that effective? You know, you're always, always, always thinking and not so much enjoying some of the time.

So if it's a great, great artist and you go and you really enjoy it because you kind of forget the process.

And so what was your thinking?