This is Norma Stevens, Kathy's therapist at Sunstone.

And what we will tell them is, "If you feel like you're gonna go crazy, go ahead and go crazy.

If you feel like you're gonna die, go ahead and die, because it'll bring you to the next phase.

You're not going to die physically.

The medicine is safe.

You're safe."

... kind of grow or heal from it?

Yes, because they'll, they'll go through that, whatever that is, their worst fear, and realize, "Oh, I can handle this," or they get a bigger perspective on it, and then it, it doesn't bother them at the end.