I'm wondering, like, how did you approach it when you were working with children? And then how do you now support educators in the teacher education program?

Yeah, so that was a really important growth, I guess, for myself.

So I, like I said, I've always looked picture books, I've always looked reading, that's such a beautiful part of my day with students.

And so As I was saying before, I was working on my PhD and I was at the lab preschool teaching.

And so I wanted what I did to be really practice oriented and really authentic for a dissertation.

So originally my idea was to look at the impact of picture books around social emotional development in my classroom.

So it wasn't really anything outside our regular practice, but to really go back to that observation and really see how children were responding and what they were saying and to reread books so we could go deeper in them.

the other pieces that need to be addressed yeah I know you've mentioned before that the student teachers sometimes gravitate to working with older children why do you think that is like are there certain perceptions or assumptions they have about early childhood education