And I think that Beth Potter probably walking away, scratching her head, saying, what is it going to take for me to get back to where I'm beating Cassandra? Would y'all say?

Yeah, I think Beth is the ultimate competitor and she loves to win.

So I think she'll have been really disappointed.

To be honest, at one point, I thought Beth was going backwards on the run and I think she was back in like eighth or ninth.

So then to see her coming fourth by the end, I think is...

Kind of how I would describe Beth.

She is the most determined athlete and she wants it more than any athlete I have ever come across.

middle distance and long distance right the other one obviously last year was Lisa Perderer but before that I mean we don't have like some of these signals all due respect like I don't think I did not put Kirsten Kasper to win Boise right because I'm thinking of her as a short course athlete but then she comes whether it was La Quinta or Boise comes in and dominates right so I've got like a coaching hat on and just thinking like man and non you probably appreciate this too it's just like it's we find ourselves sometimes putting up these guardrails around what we think is possible for an athlete and then they go and do it and they really challenge what we were thinking of how they would perform in that discipline right and hats off to kirsten like she's performing super super well in this discipline at non do you think i'm like am i somewhat right there

But do you think you could have got the same outcome with a different approach?

For a start, I think I'm very different to Alistair.

So the interesting thing about Alistair is that he was so much better than anybody else.

Did he really need to push himself that hard all the time? Actually, if Alistair had been at 98%, he probably still would have won and potentially won more.

But it'd be good to have his opinion on that, like you said.

I think the reason I got good so quickly was because I came into this high volume business environment and threw myself into it.

And I was able to absorb the load really quickly and for a long time until I wasn't.

But