Do you remember the first moment where you took an image and said, I want to do this for the rest of my life? Or I guess maybe when you decided that you wanted to jump into freelance and make this your career.

uh yeah well i mean because i mean the transition into it was very gradual so um unlike you who was into skateboarding prior to photography i had a much more completely different spectrum of of work that i did i was in i was actually a pharmacist so i like went to uh i actually got hilarious i got into pharmacy school and i picked up a camera the same year.

So I was doing both of them.

So but I really enjoyed photography back back at the time I was shooting my editorials, I was shooting a lot of I was shooting a lot more music concert work, which was really fun to me because, you know, there was all my all my friends, I was able to interact and like, capture these moments and memories and stuff with them.

So it was really cool.

And you know, in my head, I was like, Oh, you know, I'll do the pharmacy thing that can help to finance all of the photography stuff, because it was expensive.

It still is expensive.

And that's what catches me.