Mm-hmm.

So you can't measure how a space feels, but you can measure how the condition that shapes it.

So you can measure the conditions that shape how a, a, a space will make you feel.

And it's exactly like Kay just said, by using wider and light, um, things.

And, you know, you can have light levels and flicker, um, background sounds and noise and echo.

Um, you can have temperature and air con- air quality.

So all of these are measurable.

So how do we find the balance in this?