I love that.

And I kept feeling it in my gut and I would see things everywhere and I'd go, oh.

But you always do because you want to see them.

You're looking for it.

So you make it up.

But I was like, oh God, oh God.

And then I did my third round and I left and I thought... something feels really weird, something feels really, really weird.

I would say, do you know what? I'm going to bow out of this.

Because you're kind of starting fresh, aren't you? Do you have a big worship team?

Yeah, we're like, I mean, our church for how young we are, I'd say we're like maybe a little bigger than a normal church plant.

I don't know, to be honest.

But we are like, we're less than two years old as a church.

It's funny that you said that because we actually just taught, me and my wife just did a class yesterday on pioneering worship culture.

Or no, that was today.

Yeah, that was today.

Do you mind just like running us through, what are the core values in worship when establishing a worship team?

I think it's, yeah, it's exactly what you just said, is that I think people are pleasantly surprised by it.

Yeah, there's also, there's...

There was a story that Jason, our director, had told us quite early on, which I don't wanna, I'll probably misquote it and get it wrong, but it's something along the lines of they were making the show, the whole team were in their, like, 20s when they were making the show the first time round, and they thought it was for other people who are, they thought the target audience was people in their 20s, like Princeton.

And then I think this is the story.

Mm.

And there was a lady had gone to watch some of the first previews, who was, like, middle-aged, 60s, whatever, who had just got a divorce, and she had, like, spoken to Jason afterwards and been like, "I just got a divorce, and I'm now trying to find my purpose in life again."