Am I putting words into you or does that resonate with you?

No, absolutely.

And I think it does resonate deeply.

If I think of my corporate journey and South Africa specifically, because, you know, I came to university in South Africa.

So that was back in 1992, just before Mandela was released.

And so moving out of the apartheid era into the new South Africa that we see today, the rainbow nation, as it were.

As I've progressed through corporates, part of my work as a human capital practitioner has been facilitating groups and engaging on culture and values and behaviors and working with diverse teams.

So that must take a lot of energy as well to be able to facilitate those conversations.