Yes.

I first met Ronnie in about 1960 or '61.

I was 10 or 11, and he was 13 or 14.

He was three years older than me.

That was a, something I never let him forget when, uh, whenever we met.

[laughs] And it all kind of became a running gag whenever we did an interview together, and he played up to it very well, so that was good.

Anyway, yeah, so we were basically kids together and, uh, exploring the world of puppets.

What's your, what, you know, what would your lasting memory of, be of, of Ronnie?

Mm, it is.

Although already I've noticed that it does suffer from some of the other, well, issues with new Captain Scarlet in that there's very little traffic on the road.

Yeah.

It's just the look of the, um, the, the '60s series, all of those '60s series were so, were so brilliant.