I think maybe we should start with the kind of health issues that I think propose a completely different direction in your life.

I think it's a great start.

And I think what I've learned from that is that health issues and pain in the body isn't something to dull and just take a pill and get rid of.

It's actually teaching us to listen more deeply.

to understand why the pain is there, or the sort of illness, and to then have to adapt and shift to another way of being, because obviously that is not the balance our life is supposed to be in.

So I was living and working in the US, in LA, about, I don't know, from 2005 to 2011, I think.

And I was very much in a stressed state.

the cosmetic chef and then we're going to get to the eco diva.

And then at the same time, you spoke about community and what my experience has been, especially in the last sort of five, five to ten years has been this kind of sense of really dynamic women coming together and supporting each other just organically you know not this kind of you know how can I use you or influences or things like that actually just genuine people going can I can I phone you and ask advice about something or can I bounce something off you and women really supporting each other in that regard not needing anything back in return I think has been yeah very powerful.

I agree with both of you.

I also have another business that my brother is my partner.

It's a sofa company, which is Danish design, so it's not locally made.

But the way he runs the business compared to the way I run business is so very different.

I agree, women bring so much creativity and foresight.

Um, and, and I think the way we hold our teams as well is so much more caring, so much more empathy.

And I think people need to shake it off.