And so I'm curious what you're seeing right now, if there is something easy to go like, well, this is the beauty I see in the church right now, and this is the brokenness that needs to be addressed.

Oh, so much.

There's so much.

You can go on for days about the beauty of the church because the church is the bride of Christ.

What I see now, I was just reading an article that we published this morning about a person who is pulling people together in faith through prayer in a detention center.

What I see about the beauty of the church is the church has the capacity to bring light in deep darkness.

We have stories of churches in in prisons and we have stories of churches that are developing in deeply impoverished neighborhoods and communities.

people listening become the church to the people around them?

Again, this is Dr. Nicole Massey-Martin, and this is a message that she shared with us, encouraged all of us just a few months ago at the 25 Kerygma Summit.

I am so delighted to see each of you and to be here.

When I first met Lisa, I've known of her for a very long time.

I have all of her books.

I figured, A, I didn't want to fan out by bringing all my books for her to sign, and B, it would be another suitcase, and I kind of like to travel light, so I couldn't bring all of her books.

But when we talked on the phone, I got off the phone.

I told my husband, I feel like I've been invited to step into God's river with a woman who's traveled in his presence.