Would you tease out the nuances of slavery and give a good rationale for why you use that title? I wonder if you might speak to that a little bit.

Yeah, absolutely.

I actually workshopped a few different titles with people I was working with at the time who are not Christians just to see their gut reaction.

And that was the one that as soon as I said it, they went, yeah, that's got to be the title.

I'd read that.

It was like, yeah, okay, that's just marketing 101.

You got to be a little bit provocative.

I wonder what sort of insights you gain from that and how that might help us to understand God's design and creation.