... what shaped you to be the man you are today?

Yeah, it's a good question.

I mean, um, I think, um, uh, I th- I th- think, um, I think I'm just generally quite a driven person, Dan.

Like, and I, I think that's a quality that, um, uh, has a l- lot of benefits when it comes to your work life and your career, but probably is a bit of a detractor typically when it comes to your personal life.

So look, for, for me, I'm probably quite lucky that I fell...

When I say fell into something, um, I sort of, um, was fortunate to find something, and I think a lot of people don't find that thing that actually s- suits specifically some of the characteristics that they have personally.

And for me, I think if I...

Yeah.