Nick, the floor is all yours.

Yes.

First, thank you, uh, Leo, for showing up to this, and also thank you Modern Day Debate for hosting this.

Always love being here.

So I'll just start off by making something very clear.

Genocide is not a synonym for war.

It is not a synonym for civilian casualties.

I don't know for sure.

The floor is all yours, Nick.

Thanks.

Sorry, I was sharing your channel just now to tell people, hey, we're live right now.

But anyways, okay, so I'll do that after.

Okay.

Okay, so that was a quick opening statement.

So I'll say the central question tonight should not be whether Palestinian statehood sounds fair in theory, right? A lot of people can make the argument that it sounds fair.

So what amount are you seeing that's looking for change? Because you said there was 83% that was supporting and then like the other-

Canadians, right? We know how to.

Oh, well.

No, never mind.

All right.

Sorry.

Don't get me started on debating.

All right.

But yeah, Nick, you do need to respond to what Ben just said for sure.

And I hope that

continues.

And I do tell because there's some people that try not to and they try to play that like, well, we shouldn't burn too many bridges.

No, I follow values.

If there is a Nazi in our camp, guess what? I kick them out.

You are.

First off, I don't get these.

And it's like, that's

in areas, it's, it's easy to forget that the people outside of those areas view stuff differently.

The reason I asked when it was is, and I'm not saying it necessarily justifies it, but we see throughout the whole world actually, you'll see this in Gaza, you'll see it in Israel, you'll see it in America, when something, uh, very big happens, you will see a sort of winding down.

Like, there's a spike in someone that might answer yes to that, like after October 7th.

Same reason this, uh, Arab research poll out of the, I wanna say it's out of Ramallah, but I could be wrong.

Uh, they show that 89% supported the military wing of Hamas.

But if you look at it today- It's still, I think, way too high, but it's closer to 50%.

Huge difference.

And I think sometimes the example of these were two African nations arguing over a strip-

Everything before that was about Israel proper.

Um, so as for the JNF in terms of, like, state-owned, uh, land and stuff like that, that's actually not uncommon, that, we see that all the time.

We saw that with even the British and, uh, the British mandate for Palestine.

We saw that with the Ottomans.

In fact, I think over 50%, uh, not even just completely the religiously owned land during the Ottomans, was, uh, Ottoman-controlled, uh, state-owned land.

It's not, it's not uncommon.

But just I, I wanna pull away from that 'cause I do believe that discrimination can exist in an area, from both sides for that matter.

Okay.

Right.

And so I read my first, um, book, Arab-Israeli Wars, o- on the conflict, 'cause I was like, I wanna know.

I knew more than the average American already, but, like, a lot of people today know me as, like, wow, I'm Israeli, and I learned from you.

Five years ago, I'll be honest with you, I didn't, I didn't even know very much, uh, again, compared to the average American maybe, but not that much.

And, uh, read Arab-Israeli Wars by Chaim Herzog, and then I started to read anti-Zionist books, Ilan Pappé, Konstantin Zurik, and then I shifted to Benny Morris, Efraim Karsh, Alan Dershowitz, et cetera, et cetera.

I read, uh, I read a lot, um, even some neutral books.

And the more I read, the more it solidified, especially in the history, my position as someone who is pro-Israel.

What, what do you think is happening, and how do we fight this?