And and we were able to act on that, which is cool.

Weirdly enough, for the last couple of years, I've been looking for the next documentary film.

I haven't made a documentary film since 2005 to 2007, which was Ghost Adventures, right? So that was my first documentary film.

I didn't even know how to make a documentary film back then.

I didn't even know what I was doing, to be honest with you.

So I had to construct this narrative based around evidence to mold a bunch of mini-DV footage that I had.

Years later, I made tons of episodes and stuff for TV and streaming and stuff, but I was always looking for that next passionate project.

Like I was that math and physics nerd and like... anything engineering like i was i was a nerd put it that way and then like as a medium like later on you're like oh shit you could actually use some of this stuff like as you're trying to explain you know different theories and whatnot which i find fascinating so

Yes.

Uh, that was one of the most incredible things I've ever documented.

That was in 4K resolution, low light capability, two cameras side by side, but I took the raw footage to Buffalo University, and I had a professor actually analyze the, the video to try to debunk it and l- and align it and see if it's legitimately in the video, and he did, and it was incredible.

So we include that into, uh, one of the episodes.

It's the Western Blo- the Haunted Western Block, uh, is one of the episodes from Death Walker.

You guys check it out.

It's, it's wild.

Nice.

[laughs]

...

I, I was really inspired by that, because he would walk into rooms and, um, he would say things sometimes where I'm like, "Do you, do you even believe what you just said?" And he'd be like, "I do now." And, uh, and he- and everyone would walk out of the meeting and they're like, "Yes." We believe.

"Yes, we believe." [laughs] And I'm like, "Wow, you really influenced that room.

And by the way, because you influenced that room, it might actually happen now." And I really learned that lesson because I come from a military family, which is very structured, and my dad was really measured, and we would be really mechanical.

And I, I don't wanna say they told me to think small, they never did, but there was this idea of like, you work really hard, you get promoted.

You work really hard, you get promoted.

Next year, yeah.

Now let's get back to the pot.

And I think that this is where I get stuck with AI because you have these platforms and you have this kid who was born to an affluent family in Bel Air.

And I'm using hypotheticals, these aren't real people.

But you have this kid that's born in Bel Air, and his parents paid for piano lessons by an old classic piano player that used to play at Disney Concert Hall.

That's in the LA Philharmonic.

And the kid learns how to play everything.

And you're like, let's have a concert at our house for Christmas.

LimeWire.

Okay.

Um, we went further into town, and, uh, and I found his size at a different store, and I was like, "Oh, ah, I just spent 30 bucks on...

But he can wear that in a couple years.

Messi's gonna be relevant forever.

I'll get his size.

How much is this?" And they're like, "20 bucks." It's like, "20 bucks? Five minutes down the road it was 30 bucks.

Okay.

Yes

Way ahead.

And, and I think that that's, like, something that, like, I think about all the time when it comes to, like, what is a modern-day manager? You're operating a media company, and if you have audience attention and retention, it's how do I grow it and how do I keep it? And, um, and if you're only releasing a song, let's say you have a fast campaign, like you're fast.

You're releasing a song every four to six weeks.

You're always on.

That's only a piece of content every four to six weeks.

Mm-hmm.

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Now let's get back to the pod.

This is where I love interviews like this because we're going to say the words storytelling, media company, world building, fan acquisition.

We're going to say all these buzzwords.

Yeah.

And I want to start breaking down like, what the fuck does that actually mean? And, uh, and when I say a small media company, um, you know, when we caught up the other day, I think we saw each other at, uh, Coachella, which I thought was awesome this year.

But when we caught up the other day, I think that, um, one of the things that I was thinking about with being a media company is how art is c- uh, contextualized.

And so when you have an artist who's making songs and they're working in the studio for a long period of time, eight years, eight days, eight months, whatever it is, to make that song, to make that project, whatever, they go in there, they make the music, and then they come to market really fast with it- Right ...

[piano]

Yeah.

And she would see me in the corner of the room, looking up at the ceiling, talking to angels.

And she said I would be talking to these angels or whatever in the ceiling that I should have known what these things were or whatever.

If you want to define certain things, how I was conversing and talking.

And she said that would creep her out because it was surreal.

Like I was actually talking to somebody that she couldn't see.

But then I do remember, too, years later when I got into this, I remember one day I came home from school after that accident.

areas and then i came along i'm like what are you doing i was i was

Jesus.

Half inch on my artery.

Um, yeah, it was crazy.

And I remember just passing out saying, "Mom, I love you," you know, and then blacking out.

And then I told my mom later in life...

This is 1988, you know.

My mom's on a payphone trying to scramble out of YMCA to call the ambulance, and there's some other lady there helping out.

Yeah.

But shortly after this call from Debbie, Nick said that he was pretty surprised to see that he was getting a call from Mark.

I get a phone call, and it's Mark, and Mark calls me, um...

I forget exactly when it was.

I think the next day or so, the next two days or so, Mark calls me and says, "Hey, Nick.

How's it going?" I said, "Good.

What's up, Mark? How's everything?" And, and he was just matter-of-fact about everything, just really chill, and I said...

And he starts talking to me, "Oh," you know, this and that.

Nick also said that despite the obvious problems that he had witnessed within the Constantinos' marriage, he never could have imagined it would have ended this way.