What are some progress that you've been surprised to have seen that have been made?

So it's hard to kind of like disaggregate this sort of, you know, thing, you know, this might sound like I'm speaking to both sides of my mouth, but I've seen some really cool things, you know, despite the sort of stereotype that compliance has, the people that I talk to on my podcast are the people that I meet at, at, at conferences.

These are passionate people that care a lot.

Everybody, it seems like they really wanna make the world a better place.

They wanna leave it better for those that come behind them.

They wanna fix things.

They wanna bring some sort of order to chaos.

interesting.