And I was hoping you could share with us a little bit more about that process and how that looks for you, the conversation between the drawings and the paintings.

It's pretty almost primitive.

I take a small sketchbook that I can carry.

And when I do have time to do the drawings right from nature, I prefer to do that.

But I try and do them kind of quickly and kind of spontaneously.

And the ones I turn into paintings, I try and use that sketch fairly quickly.

closely and with all the kind of quirks and so forth in it because I like the leftovers from being in that place and the residual kind of being part of the drawing and I don't try and necessarily draw things overly realistic or include too many details I'm more interested in how the the shapes and forms make me feel and kind of letting that be part of the drawing so I won't spend terribly long on them, but there are also times since, you know, phones take so much good pictures anymore that I sometimes find myself in situations where I don't have time to draw something and I want to have a record of it.

But I was hoping you could share with us what drew you to that and then why you stayed with it.