So how do you approach that?

Well, you know, I think it's a kind of a philosophical discussion, right? And I've, you know, Rory and I have talked about this at national meetings.

It is interesting.

And I don't want to be controversial.

I don't want to, you know, I'm not drinking out the boxing gloves.

But you can really have a major... impact on your ECMO survival and your ECMO outcomes with your selection criteria, right? If you put people on ECMO early on in the process and they're going to do better, but they also may not have needed ECMO.

Now they're an ECMO survivor and they're an ECMO success story.

Nick, in terms of, you know, to those centers that don't or have very little experience mobilizing their ECMO patients, what sort of advice would you give them to kind of get over that learning curve that, you know, from your personal experiences?