To what extent do you find that narrative convincing? Should we be convinced by it?

No. Um, that's it.

Uh, no. Um, that wouldn't be fun.

Uh, tha- [audience applauding] thank you.

Um, so, uh, thanks again to Dr. Brigida, Dr. Voegele for making this possible and, and our guests for joining us for this.

Um, the thing I'd like to focus on today, so I would like to start with the sort of, yeah, inevitability question, 'cause we see that language everywhere.

If you are on the hell site known as X, formerly known as Twitter, uh, it's very common, especially with the, the language of arms racing.

Do you wanna-