It's crazy.

It's supposed to be the United States, but I'm a firm believer there's nothing united about these states at all.

It's the greatest divide known to mankind, you know? There's nothing united about our states.

Every state has its own law, has its own jurisdiction, has its own whatever.

What I'm free to do here, I can't do in another place.

I can go to Florida and get punched in the face and shoot somebody, and it's fine and dandy.

I go to Cali, I can smoke and have my medicine.

... as much as people want change, do you think the polls and the polls on election day are gonna reflect that?

Holy shit

... recon team, like no shit, five minutes prior to that.

Um, he got hit, and dude, the water was like already muddy, but then you taste the pennies, and it gets extremely like, uh, like dark brown water.

Um, I'm yelling in my PL's ear, and I feel a splash of, of warm water on my face.

I'm like, "What the fuck is that?" But he felt like a, like a sack of bricks, bro.

And he fell, and I'm like, "Holy shit." I go into, dude, I'm, I've been awake for damn near five days.

I had cat naps and stuff, but I look at him.

[laughs]

But then there's somebody who's on his own team who wrote a book with a different account.

Yeah.

Man, I'm gonna say, like, I know both of these guys.

I, I don't, I'm not gonna take any sides with it.

I think that the fog of war is a real thing, and on a mission like that, right, you're going after the guy, the number one terrorist in the entire world, allegedly, and you're going on this secret mission.

You got secret helicopters.

You had to go out to Area 51 to learn how to fly on them and learn about them.

[laughs]

Why not go there?

You know what? Every war fighter I've talked to, been around, served with, myself included, I was asking those same questions back in the early 2000s.

I think there's a couple reasons.

Mainly because I think that the American people just can't stomach it.

I don't think the average person can stomach what war would really entail when it comes to winning it.

I don't think we could stomach it.

Financially, we would be better off because it would only take a few.

What's your thoughts?

Oh, yeah,

absolutely.

man, my brother's like, I was telling you a story about what we went to.

Kenny King College and finally played together.

We played 505.

We didn't lose the game.

It was unbelievable because we, you know, we've been in the backyard playing all the time and playing one-on-one, but we never played five-on-five and And what we did that day was unbelievable.

Give me a good story about Kyle Davis, Josh Cunningham, your time coaching those guys.

So that's the one common thread that they have in common.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, it, that's the way it starts off, though.

Like, bro, e- every, after every deployment, especially, like, early on, I re- I recall one time we had a 18-wheeler truck of Budweiser.

Like, Budweiser sponsored this thing or pulled into the, our compound, and it was all you could drink.

I'm not gonna say too much about the stuff that goes on in that compound because I don't wanna get nobody in trouble, but I was an alcoholic at, like, at 19.

Yep

Go, go ahead.

No, I get where you're going.

[laughs] I mean, I definitely get it, but [laughs] I mean, you look at North Korea, look at China.

There's a lot of other countries with nuclear weapons.

Only one country has used them.

Everybody, we were quick to use it.

[laughs] I mean, we dropped two of them, atomic bombs.

Is that a win?

Any surprises there?

No.

Like I said, it, it's like reading a, um, a very basic pattern.

That's a lot what it's like.

You can predict what this administration's gonna do within the ne- with like within 14 days.

You can kinda pretty much predict it at this point.

You know the news is gonna come out a week before the, you know, the 24 hours before the stock markets open up.

Real, real talk.

Where?

They were there.

I mean, they were there.

I look at, okay, so from my time being in, just looking based on my time being in, you would get pushed out, or we would get pushed out on missions or whatever with bullshit intel.

Shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been going in, all because that this colonel wants a Bronze Star medal.

He wants a medal to say, or a ribbon that, you know, because he pushed his guys out on X amount of missions, and he did X.

Well, I've been on these missions where it's like, what are we doing? The intel is trash.

I, I, I think that you are uniquely positioned to give your thoughts on what that woman just said.

There you go

... or what it's like to go out to, you know, the grocery store and spend 360 bucks on, you know, two days worth of food or whatever it may be.

But when you come from that lineage, that bloodline, of course you don't care.

But I think that's where America messed up, too.

We stop looking at people who are like us, and we start looking at a- we, we call him a businessman, but I mean, a businessman to me wouldn't be somebody with as much bankruptcies, not even bankruptcies, failed businesses.

You know, from casinos to steaks, this dude has failed it all.

I wouldn't necessarily elect him, but I think America needs to get back to its roots of like-minded individuals who grew up the way we grew up, who grew up the way the average American grows up and lives that life.

And, and did you see your boy say, "Yo, that was just a love tap"?

... o- on whether to move forward or not.

It wasn't like the last war we fought.

They had, they had, like, any say so.

But they're also, I think what's being shown is how much of the truth behind we, the people.

I don't think that...

They're, they're showing us who we really are.

We don't matter.

But before I let you up out of here, do you think that this MAGA wave, do you think that MAGA Nation, is it, is it, is it done? Is it over? You know, has, has Trump lost his base?

Uh, yeah, Cole Thomas Allen.

Cole Allen? Yeah, he, uh, went into the room wearing his getup, his Fortnite attire, and one of the dogs had alerted to him, and the Secret Service dude walked away with the, uh, the K9, and maybe, like, a second, one or two seconds after that, you see this dude doing the, you know, 40-yard Usain Bolt dash through the metal detector, popping off shots and, like...

I think the entire...

I mean, we've, we've seen it time and time again how lax it is, like how you can watch a Hollywood movie about the Secret Service, and you get this one perception of them, and then you see them act in real life, and you're like, "Man, you guys are..." I mean, at, at this point, y- they need to pick up the phone, call some SEAL Team Six dudes, call some Delta, mainly Delta Force guys, call, like, all those dudes, retired, active, and have them protect.

You know, I was doing a better job when I was in my 20s protecting guys like, at the time, vice presidents, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton.

I protected these people overseas in Iraq when I was contracting, and we did a...

Never had one single attempt on anybody's life.

Am, am I reading this? Has, has the strategy on this war completely changed?

And, and how did he get to that place that he crossed that line?

Hmm.

So Atterbury was my, uh, a guy I looked up to before I even became a sniper.

He's one of the guys that I lo- looked up to, a cool, smooth looking dude.

Had the long hair, had beards at certain time.

We were allowed to grow beards and long hair, but he was one of these cool like chill, mellow dudes and that's like what I envisioned all snipers were.

Um, and it pretty much like fit the description even when I got there.

Well, Nick, you know, one of my hopes, not my only, but one of my hopes is that a politician, um, someone in power, with making the decision to send our boys and our girls over there, um, that they have an opportunity to listen to every word that you've said during this conversation a- a- and put a real human face, voice, emotion to that decision.

Is this, in your opinion, justified, or is it just the Democrats with another lame, weak attempt to get Trump out of office?

I think it's another lame, weak attempt.

I mean, is it justified? Um, um, I, I, I don't, I don't nec- I don't agree, and I don't like what he's doing as, as, as, as president.

You know, he completely flipped on everything he said he was going to do, so I don't agree with, you know, hi- his policies right now.

There's, I, yeah, I don't agree with nothing he's doing right now.

Um, but they pulled it his last presidency, and he was impeached.

Stayed president, nothing happened.

What, what do you even make of that?

We need to figure this out for ourself." It seems like that, the, the, the people haven't made their voice heard in any of this yet.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, I think that was the plan.

One of the, uh, objectives that we wanted to, to accomplish when we went in there in the first place was to have the people rise up, but I mean, it's like that, uh, it's like that experiment with, like, jumping gnats or whatever, or fleas.

You put a bunch of fleas in a bucket, and you put the top on.

And over time, they try to jump out.

They know they can't jump out.

[laughs]

I know this is really hard to speak about, but are you able to say a little bit about what happened?

We were sort of in a period of time where we were, you know, going in the city, taking photos.

There was a big urbex scene back then that we sort of fell into, and, uh, we thought it was unreal at the time.

So yeah, we were in the city taking photos for a night.

As we were heading home, we thought we would go and take photos in a driver's train cabin.

We were waiting for a train.

We tried to get in and, and it wouldn't work, so we figured we'd give it one more shot.

What happened then?

What is the gain here at home?

A great reset.

I don't, I don't think there was supposed to be...

I mean, all the stuff that you mentioned was allegedly, supposedly supposed to happen underneath the Biden administration, Kamala Harris.

It was supposed to happen under her, and it's like flipped on its head, and now it's happening under this administration.

I think at this point it's like, I don't think we really understand that the, the, the president doesn't control shit.

He's got a puppet master.

Y'all have done damage that it will take us years and years and years to turn around and for us to get back on our feet as a country"?

... and just froze up?

One guy.

Won't say his name.

One guy, and it was in Iraq.

Uh, we were in Mosul.

It was a crazy fucking firefight.

Um, against...

Yeah, I mean, this, this is a 18-year-old or, or a 42-year [laughs] old because now we know [laughs] they're recruiting damn near seniors.

Um, but is there just a level of respect and courtesy and acceptance? "Hey, if you wanna identify as X, I will refer to you as X."

But how far does it go, and when does it stop? Like I said, I might wake up tomorrow and wanna be the emperor of the whole world, and if a motherfucker don't call me and bow down, "Yes, Emperor," off with your head.

Like, just 'cause I feel a certain way doesn't mean you have to respect it or abide by it.

I don't believe that.

Like, I don't...

Just 'cause you feel a certain way, that's you.

That's your life.

Like, "Yo, Floyd need the money." Like, if there, if there's any legitimacy to that, like, how in, in, on God's green earth could this man be broke?

How much more time did he have?

Yeah.

I look at it like...

I, I break it down in, in like a few ways.

I guess you could say, one, what threat was he directly to the US people, you know? Two, I think about, is the US-- are we still involved in active assassinations? The last time I checked, I don't think we're [chuckles] you know, like heavy in that game of assassinating foreign leaders.

But then to call it not a regime change, but you wanna kill the regime leader and then have say so in who the new, the new supreme leader's gonna be sounds a lot like regime change to me.

Just like they are not calling it a war, except for, you know, on Wednesdays and Thursdays when it is a war.

No, because you take it for granted 'cause you've been there.

Mm-hmm.

What it did stand for, and now it's a, it's a, it's a money grab.

It's a money grab.

You wanna be a rich pimp, and you don't have to pay taxes.

It's all mainly cash, you know, uh, deposits.

Them preachers go back to the back, and they start popping that finger, counting that money that you put in that little plate.

Come on.

Really?

Obviously you are.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't think he went wrong.

He killed himself.

He offed himself.

Up until that point, he was doing everything, close to almost everything, correct.

I mean, those little fine details you mentioned like removing SIM cards and changing license plates, like yeah, that's the stuff that I have people do in the books that I write, you know? It, it like...

I said I might be changing [laughs] my stance on that Second Amendment af- after-

It's not like-

But there's not much, I mean, there's not much to think about.

Um, I'm trying to think of like how can I put this.

Like, if someone, if...

I won't hesitate.

There's no hesitation.

Like, I'm...

I see where you're going