And how did the collaboration come about between you two?

Um, so I had the two, the previous two years I'd done a, their trade stand.

So I'd designed and planted, uh, their trade stand at Chelsea, and that came about with a very tenuous link.

My best friend in Cape Town, her cousin worked for David Harbor, and I knew of her, but she worked for David Harbor, and then we just, we literally met at a show and I was like, "Oh my God, Jess." And she was like, "Nick," like that.

Mm-hmm.

Not that it overly appeals to me.

But I think there's something about a pond that is kind of so restful and cooling and, you know, I love that I, you know, in like in, in, you know, the, the dew ponds you get in the countryside where they're like ancient kind of dipping ponds in the fields, and that lovely kind of clean disc of water.

We did a walk on the South Downs over the Easter weekend, and the National Trust had put all these posts up around these dew ponds, and apparently they, they look like just a body of water with grass kind of going into them.