And without naming this guy, what, what can you tell us about who he is and-

Yeah, well, what, what we did n- 'cause the, the, the other great thing from the story perspective was that he actually was very open to being interviewed.

Um, so my colleague Misbah, who is an Urdu speaker, uh, she spoke with him at length, um, in his own language.

So he, he told us a relative amount about himself, like he, he came from, um, quite a humble background in a, um, small city in Pakistan.

He said that before he'd kind of got into AI-generated content creation, he'd been kind of struggling financially and that this, this line of work had really, like, transformed the circumstances of his life.

He said that he was making 1,500, uh, US dollars a month, which, um, for the part of Pakistan that he was in, that's, like, really good wage.

Um, and then I suppose the, yeah, the, the, the other aspect of the, the story that was most compelling was that he was clearly a, um, man of some religious conviction.

So could you explain why indeed these governments are not stepping up more because they're in a sense ruining, of course, the democratic debate?