mean, did you really want real estate as a career or no?

I thought it was a unique strategy to stay alive where I could, you know, bring my friends into my four bedroom apartment and then have my friends, have them have a jump off to get their place started.

Like there's, when you move to a city new at a college, you don't, where do I go? How do I do this? How am I going to pay for it? But I made that move and then I invited my friends.

So there was a bit of a community.

We were all kind of working together.

Ben, I admired him because he'd be at, you know, Credit Suisse at 6 a.m. in the morning.

He'd come home at 10 o'clock.

How did you do this?