I think the logistics of that, because you had to collaborate with the YY indigenous tribe, didn't you? How do you make connections with a tribe like that, that are so disconnected from...

Well, I suppose one thing I'll stop there is we didn't have to.

It was a choice.

So I think that this is where the three of us wanted to do things differently is you see a lot of historical expeditions and great exploration journeys where it's very much chess beating, flag planting.

You know, we're coming to conquer in the unknown lands.

And we just didn't want to do that whatsoever.

And it was especially driven by Laura.

were you aware of the story of Emma Kelty before that the British kayaker who was I mean she was you know horrendous she was actually kidnapped and she died at the hands of pirates in the Amazon and I think that happened not long before you had went away were you not worried about the dangers in that like three women going out there and with you know this indigenous tribe that you hadn't made contact with before was there any safety concerns or