Yeah.And, and so how did things change then after that? So you were A&V and then Beazley.

Well, there was a journey in between where, um, after A&V, 'cause A&V got taken over by AmTrust, and then, um, I decided I didn't quite like that [laughs] 'cause I, I, I lost my head of position.

So I was like, "Okay, what can I do?" So I, I kind of I think skirted around different roles within the market for a bit, dipping into different contracts.

Um, and then towards the end of that, um, ended up at Bupa doing, um, the head of, uh, financial risk ro- well, gen...

What was my job title? Um, general insurance, or insurance risk manager.

That was it.

Sorry, couldn't remember that.

And how did your, your capital modeling background, how did that sort of lend its, lend its hand to moving into more a risk role?