So all that said, Nayantara, what dreams do you have about the work that you do?

Well, well, thank you.

First, I dream for more time to read, as I'm taking down names of some of the books you've suggested.

And I do think about some of the folks I have read, Octavia Butler, Ursula K.

Le Guin, who really encourage us to be creative and imagine other worlds, and I think that's a huge part of what drives me to do the work and, uh, that I feel so honored to do with garment workers here at Garment Worker Center.

One of the things that I've learned is, as you said, you know, and a utopia for one person may not be the same for someone else.

And I think we also just can't take for granted that folks are used to even thinking about their dreams and hopes, especially in this industry.

But what, what strikes you in this?