How long into BNI, your BNI journey, Navin, did you realize that BNI was gonna be for you?

Um, look, to be honest, I'd say it took me a, a, a wee while.

And, um, it, it's a mix of, mix of things, just because first and foremost, when I was there as a photographer in BNI, I didn't understand BNI fully, and I was there for the business.

I was there for the business.

I was struggling to try and get the photography business going.

Um, and from that, pet photography is such a niche, it's hard to get, [laughs] to get referrals and all those things.

So from that side of things, I, I don't think I saw the value in BNI.

So just on that, I mean, what is it that you're consistently doing that brings you results in BNI?