And that actually like caused me into like kind of a... kind of a deep not depression but but it was it was just like this stall and then um and then the podcast opportunity came up and i was like okay well a digital tool or doing something digital you know is not as traumatic as something physical i would say like some of that trauma still has like carried on with cpg um in terms of selling physical products so that was a long window oh yeah i talk a lot um that was a long window answer saying uh why i became an entrepreneur

Yeah, no, I think it's so fascinating because people who are typically go into the R and D path, these are science minded individuals.

Like my background education wise is in the medical field.

So similar, you know, brain makeup, you could say we're process focused, you know, you have kind of laws you have to abide by.

Like if you have one ingredient pairing with another ingredient, like there should be a science to like how that's going to interact to each other.

But you seem like someone who's very creative.

And so it's unique kind of hearing your story of you're a very creative individual, but you have a passion for the science of developing products and food science as a whole.

It might be selling you, liking you as a follower count, right? I think being cognizant about that is really important as you progress through the world.