Why was it important for you to include this type of deep dive analysis into Milton Friedman?

Which by the way, we did have an internal debate over whether Fuck Milton Friedman should be the title of the article that you have now written, but it is The High Priest of the Invisible Hand.

We made it slightly more respectable for print media.

Um, but it was important to us because he...

What we do at Current Affairs oftentimes is we try, we try and help people, in the same way you do, to understand economics, to understand politics.

And the kinds of articles that we like to commission are things that make the comprehensive case.

And so I often like to approach people who have said, uh, a lot of different things in a lot of different places, um, that are all really important, and to get our writers to, you know, really tie all of the threads of their argument together into the comprehensive case.

... originators of any of the social pro- socialism projects in the United States.

Why do you think it's happening now? Why do you think that the, the mainstream is picking up on it, that obviously voters are picking up on it in the ether, that the youth does not have the same relationship with the word socialism as generations before? What's happening specifically now that you can perceive that, that you're tapping into?

Well, it's one of the sa- it's kind of the same thing that was happening in 2016 when Bernie Sanders' campaign caught fire, which is to say it's a pretty simple thing of the, the unpopularity of the two major parties.

The feeling among people who would vote Democratic that, uh, they, that the m- leadership of the Democratic Party is incapable of successfully stopping the far right.

Um, and also the understanding that when they do get into power, they are incredibly disappointing.

Um, there, there's that, and then there's the fact that people's lives are just incredibly hard and frustrating, and they, and socialists are the ones who come along and have economic arguments, and socialists are the ones who are listening to them.

W- I talked to Mamdani actually early in his campaign, like, when he was polling at 3%, and I didn't think he had any chance [laughs] but we interview everyone.

And I was like, "What are you doing to, to try and win, actually win this thing?" And he was like, "Well, I'm listening to New Yorkers about the things that they care about, and I'm, I'm adjusting, you know, what I'm saying to fit and provide solutions for the things they care about." You're like, oh, wow, what a, what a radical idea, what a crazy idea that a politician would actually listen to you and then craft an agenda that is responsive to the things that you say you're interested in.

[laughs]

So why was this a mistake?

Well, so let's first establish that it, it seems like if Bernie and AOC had backed Francesca Hong, she likely would've won.

The margin was incredibly narrow, and they made, in the last weeks of this campaign, this very pointed decision to totally disavow her.

Um, and, and, and to give complete bullshit responses when asked why.

Like Bernie said, "Well, you know, I don't really get involved in governor's races." Well, he'd endorsed Troy Jackson in Maine, so the question is why not this one? And he didn't really explain.

And, uh, AOC said, uh, "Oh, well, you know, that's a, that's a local race." I mean, she'd just been out to Michigan to, to support, uh, Abdul El-Sayed.

Like, [laughs] Elizabeth Warren said, who'd been out for Abdul El-Sayed, said, "Oh, I don't, I don't know her." Um, so it seems like this pro- this failure to coalesce the left and say, "Look, we have a real chance to get a candidate, uh, to get a Democratic Socialist candidate on the ballot in November," it seems like that tanked her.

Okay, Nathan, uh, what, what say ye?

What could it mean?

Well, I mean, people are really catching on.

I mean, I'll tell you now, so I'm not sure that I'm saying anything, uh, that is not already being said across the media because people are starting to notice, oh, this, what's happening in Michigan's Senate primary right now has huge implications for the future of Democratic politics.

Um, because...

And there's a lot of reasons for that.

One of them is that i- it's kind of AIPAC's last stand.

Uh, they have funneled tens of millions of dollars into this race to prop up Haley Stevens.

... what's your thoughts about that? That the compromise no longer works.

What has kept the AA's as the standard for all these years?

I think it's just that there's that premium performance.

Like we set the bar high when we had, you know, our high antimony shot and those premium components and our AA hinged wad.

And there's not any... change needed to perfection.

It's just been that industry standard of this is what you get if you want the best.

And we did step it up a couple of years ago because we wanted to say unequivocally we had the best available and that was AA diamond grade.

So that is even higher anemone and it's plated and it's the Cadillac of target loads.

Why do you think Winchester has been able to hold onto that stronghold for so long and just keep on the straight and narrow? Well, So