How unusual is it to have this much public political fighting over something like cause of death? I mean, it just seems to those of us not in the profession, it seems real unusual and is a placeholder for a bigger political fight.

Absolutely.

And for us as well, especially in the world of pediatrics, thankfully, in pediatrics, kids generally are healthy, we don't have to deal with a lot of tragedies.

And that's exactly what it is.

And what gets lost in the shuffle of it is that we have parents that have gone through the worst thing that you can imagine.

And rather than being supported in that they're They're put themselves in being interviewed and questioned and things like that as well, too.

So I think, unfortunately, when when politics gets into a place that doesn't belong and I would feel that medicine is that place, that's where things get really muddy and it makes it really tricky.

What's it like emotionally to be a caregiver in the middle of all that? Yeah.