So what do you mean by that?

Okay, so I mentioned this a moment ago, again, like at its core, if you're not highlighting the nature of science principles, and I want to say, I'm not even a nature science guy, meaning I don't study how they're embedded in, in science education, but even I know that they're a part of what we refer to as science.

If you don't have, if you don't have, If let's say you don't, you're not facing science off of evidence.

Well, then what are you basing it off of? All right.

This is when we start to get into you embed engineering into science and you allow that confusion between science and engineering.

That's an example.

Well, if you're not, if you don't have something that's tentative, in other words, a recorrective mechanism in science, in science well then what are you doing um and this is for example in the natural sciences and in engineering and even in business schools you have those people can present let's say an economic model or a scientific study or uh some sort of engineering and if there's a recorrectiveness embedded within those disciplines in the social sciences there is no, there isn't that part where there's a corrective piece within it.

If I'm understanding correctly, sort of three phases, constructing scientific knowledge, reinforcing scientific knowledge, and then utilizing scientific knowledge.