... or way up there, it don't matter where.

Right.

It's, it's, honestly, it's fun to be an underdog.

It, it, it really is.

It's, you, you get a chance to do every part of the, the, the crew.

You get to be excited for a 15th place finish.

You know, it's not a win, yeah, but, you know, the car will be in one piece.

Is that when you said, like, "I wanna try to drive this car," you know, "'cause I've already worked on it, and I wanna try the driving side of it"?