Sure.

I kind of found this option by complete chance.

I was in real estate right out of college.

More specifically, I was in the mortgage business.

I had 17 rental properties that I owned personally through LLCs and at a very young age.

And I thought that I knew enough about real estate investing specifically to be dangerous.

And in 2012, I get a call from a company based out of Houston, Texas, that wanted me to come teach, help them teach more people about using a retirement account.

That's what a Roth conversion is about, traditional

How old were you at that point? Let's say when you had your 17 rentals, before things crashed? And how were those looking for you when everything was great? You know, from a number, how much income were you making just from your rental properties, if you can recall?

Oh, just from my rental properties, I think the first year I made $500,000.

So it was considerable.

And I was at a very young age.

But I was a little bit ignorant at that age.

I was in my mid-20s at that point.

So like I said, I thought, oh, this is easy.

yeah