With her encouragement, he went in for new lung function testing, and sure enough, that race-neutral test showed that Marcus's COPD and his sarcoidosis had been more serious this whole time.

It's worth pointing out that he's had 10 years of these symptoms without a test showing the evidence that he had disease, and if you do not have a proper diagnosis, you do not have access to the proper medications to make you feel better.

You don't have access to the specialists who are the experts in disease control.

You are left with symptoms that are unresolved and become a mystery because they are not being detected with the ordinary test.

Natasha understands Marcus's frustration because so much hinges on a correct diagnosis.

Not only does this translate to resources as far as medications and doctors, but also to money, to your ability to survive, whether or not you continue to work or not.

And so it does have a lot of impact on your quality of living if you are unable to be recognized as having a disease.

[laughs]

Um, yeah, people like that that just, um, have been trailblazers in their own right, but also just we've been so aware of, uh, and been following for so long, to be right now in the same room as a lot of those people, yeah, it's, it's a little surreal.

Me, personally, I would choose the tango that we have in our show.

Yeah, absolutely.

I would choose sharing the stage with such incredible ensemble members.

I mean, they were just insanely talented.

So, like, sharing the stage with them was incredible.

But 12 years later, she couldn't imagine doing anything else.

[music] It wasn't like an innate calling to be a midwife.

I'd done my college course, and my family were like, "Yeah, you kind of just need to, like, figure out what you're gonna do with your life.

You need to do something proper." During school and college, I was very theatrical.

And they were like, "No, no, no, you, you're gonna have to get into the real world, hon, and just, you know, get out there." I literally went through a university A to Z list of courses, and I, and I literally just whittled it down, and I was like, "Well, I, I don't wanna be a nurse.

I know that." And then midwifery was there, and I thought, "Oh, I think I'll give that a go." I mean, I was very naive and young.

I was, like, 17 at the time.

Wow

... yeah, so I got married.

We had the kid.

I started waking up.

I started, 'cause I, we were eating raw milk, and I thought, "I don't want my kid to eat raw food.

That's gross." And he kept saying, like...

So we started separating, and by the time my kid was, like, only one, we, we didn't last, of course, 'cause the weird got weirder and the cool got, you know, non-cool.

[laughs]

Maybe they were just keeping their cards close to their chest.

Oh, maybe, but they barely even cracked a smile.

There's me giving it the big sell, showing them the sights, pointing out all the areas of natural beauty.

I mean, Tom, it was ridiculously idyllic, but they just looked bored.

They were like 40-something teenagers in suits, tapping on their phones and rolling their eyes.

Did they like the eclairs?

None of them ate a thing.

A round of coffees and that was it.

And what is it that you get from it?

Um, I...

What I, I really love about Blaze Trails is I feel like me, not just mummy.

I can have a adult conversation that's more than just, "How's your baby sleeping? Have you started weaning?" You know, we have those conversations, but I can also be Natasha, and I can chat about, "Oh, I'm feeling rubbish today," or, "This happened," or like those, you know, adult conversations that I think you often lose when you become a parent because everything becomes so focused on the child that as the parent, you get lost.

And I find that I b- I get found when I come on these walks.

Mm-hmm.

But once you've had it, and if you are able to talk about...

Like for me, talking is a tonic, so I find talking about it, getting it out there is like me getting it off my chest, and I feel much lighter.

What's the bad that he saw?

I had postpartum psychosis for two babies, him and his sister, and his...

Three babies, sorry, my brain.

Um, so I had postpartum psychosis for all three of my kids, and he's my first, so he went through it three times.

And then I, um, for the first seven years of his life, was PTSD and schizoaffective disorder with severe depression, and so he's just seen me struggle mental health-wise for basically his whole life, and now-

when one was already reasonably traumatized?

[laughing] Because he had to have a sibling.

Because when I knew I was gonna have the first one, I knew I had to have two of them, 'cause I didn't want him to be an only child.

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I'm Natasha.

I just recently started with ChinesePod.

What did you learn from attending the premiere and the after-party? I know you also screened it and loved it.

I did.

I watched the show.

I had no clue who the Mitford sisters were before being assigned to this premiere, um, coverage.

And let me tell you, I flew home from Tribeca with a new appreciation.

I am so obsessed with this whole cast and crew of Outrageous.

The premiere started on the Tribeca carpet before we went into the screening and I got to meet Joanna Vanderham, who plays Diana Mitford.

I didn't know this was coming.